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		<title>By: peaches</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Albert, I want to step up my printing and I am considering the new Canon 9500 with the wide range of black and grey inks. I am just worried about the expensive ink.

Any printer advice? I may give up on the wide-format options to save money, but I do love being able to make 11x13 prints. I am tired of bad B&amp;W prints though on these color printers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Albert, I want to step up my printing and I am considering the new Canon 9500 with the wide range of black and grey inks. I am just worried about the expensive ink.</p>
<p>Any printer advice? I may give up on the wide-format options to save money, but I do love being able to make 11&#215;13 prints. I am tired of bad B&amp;W prints though on these color printers.</p>
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		<title>By: peaches</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Albert. I would prefer to shoot in Adobe RGB, but it was when I tried to change my color management to Adobe RGB that I confused my equipment, so now somewhere I must be telling it conflicting advice. It&#039;s not a paper issue. The prints don&#039;t just have a blue tint, they are totally blue. If I use the Canon software Easy Photo Print, I get a regular, non-blue print. However this software a) does not allow custom sizes and b) does not allow PSE to manage color. I&#039;ve checked all the typical troubleshooting items, cleaned the print head, changed ink, etc etc. I just have the wrong settings in color management.

I&#039;ll keep trying.  I wish there were a revert to default button somewhere!  

I appreciate your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Albert. I would prefer to shoot in Adobe RGB, but it was when I tried to change my color management to Adobe RGB that I confused my equipment, so now somewhere I must be telling it conflicting advice. It&#8217;s not a paper issue. The prints don&#8217;t just have a blue tint, they are totally blue. If I use the Canon software Easy Photo Print, I get a regular, non-blue print. However this software a) does not allow custom sizes and b) does not allow PSE to manage color. I&#8217;ve checked all the typical troubleshooting items, cleaned the print head, changed ink, etc etc. I just have the wrong settings in color management.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep trying.  I wish there were a revert to default button somewhere!  </p>
<p>I appreciate your help.</p>
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		<title>By: albert</title>
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		<dc:creator>albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peaches
I can sense your frustration, just by reading your post. Really sorry to hear of your troubles. Don&#039;t know how much different my advice is from others,, but if you&#039;re willing to try the following, it may help you out.

If Canon don&#039;t offer profiles for the i9100, then try a paper manufacturer that does. One of them is Ilford. THey have superb paper and you can get it at places like Amazon or at a local camera store (but probably not at a place like Staples or Office Depot).
I personally like their Gallery Smooth range, especially the Pearl which has become my favorite paper.
See this link here http://www.ilford.com/en/products/galerie/smooth/desk/smoothMediaSheets.asp for their Gallery Smooth products. 
On this page, on the left, you&#039;ll see a &quot;download ICC profiles&quot; link. You will need to register, but the profiles are free and they DO have i9100 profiles.

When you have the paper and the matching profiles, follow the procedures I describe in this article, just think Ilford paper instead of Canon paper. I am sure, you&#039;ll have better results.

As for sRGB vs Adobe RGB?
Well, Adobe RGB is a larger gamut. In other words, it captures more colors than sRGB. I like to have as much &quot;playroom&quot; as possible, so I shoot in Adobe RGB. After all, I can always go down to sRGB (less colors), but I cannot go &quot;up&quot;. Think of Adobe RGB as a 16oz cup of coffee and sRGB as a 12 oz cup. I can fill the 12 oz cup easily, but I can never fill the 16 oz cup if all I have is 12 oz to start off with.

The modern printers, such as the PIXMA Pro 9000 and 9500 have great color spectrum, larger than sRGB so it makes sense to capture in Adobe RGB so you are taking advantage of all the colors that these printers can print. I do not know about the i9100 and it is entirely possible that Adobe RGB is overkill for it. However, it won&#039;t do any harm.
Just remember that most labs and the Internet use sRGB, so if you post images on the web or take them to a place like Costco to print, make sure you convert them to sRGB.

Hope this all makes sense. 
Good luck, hope you get it sorted out. It is quite a thrill to see those beautiful prints come out of your printer.
Albert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peaches<br />
I can sense your frustration, just by reading your post. Really sorry to hear of your troubles. Don&#8217;t know how much different my advice is from others,, but if you&#8217;re willing to try the following, it may help you out.</p>
<p>If Canon don&#8217;t offer profiles for the i9100, then try a paper manufacturer that does. One of them is Ilford. THey have superb paper and you can get it at places like Amazon or at a local camera store (but probably not at a place like Staples or Office Depot).<br />
I personally like their Gallery Smooth range, especially the Pearl which has become my favorite paper.<br />
See this link here <a href="http://www.ilford.com/en/products/galerie/smooth/desk/smoothMediaSheets.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.ilford.com/en/products/galerie/smooth/desk/smoothMediaSheets.asp</a> for their Gallery Smooth products.<br />
On this page, on the left, you&#8217;ll see a &#8220;download ICC profiles&#8221; link. You will need to register, but the profiles are free and they DO have i9100 profiles.</p>
<p>When you have the paper and the matching profiles, follow the procedures I describe in this article, just think Ilford paper instead of Canon paper. I am sure, you&#8217;ll have better results.</p>
<p>As for sRGB vs Adobe RGB?<br />
Well, Adobe RGB is a larger gamut. In other words, it captures more colors than sRGB. I like to have as much &#8220;playroom&#8221; as possible, so I shoot in Adobe RGB. After all, I can always go down to sRGB (less colors), but I cannot go &#8220;up&#8221;. Think of Adobe RGB as a 16oz cup of coffee and sRGB as a 12 oz cup. I can fill the 12 oz cup easily, but I can never fill the 16 oz cup if all I have is 12 oz to start off with.</p>
<p>The modern printers, such as the PIXMA Pro 9000 and 9500 have great color spectrum, larger than sRGB so it makes sense to capture in Adobe RGB so you are taking advantage of all the colors that these printers can print. I do not know about the i9100 and it is entirely possible that Adobe RGB is overkill for it. However, it won&#8217;t do any harm.<br />
Just remember that most labs and the Internet use sRGB, so if you post images on the web or take them to a place like Costco to print, make sure you convert them to sRGB.</p>
<p>Hope this all makes sense.<br />
Good luck, hope you get it sorted out. It is quite a thrill to see those beautiful prints come out of your printer.<br />
Albert</p>
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		<title>By: peaches</title>
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		<dc:creator>peaches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canon support says that the printer is so old that they didn&#039;t have ICC profiles. You just choose the paper type in the print dialog box. But I have changed so many settings now that I can&#039;t make heads or tails of anything.  everyone&#039;s advice is different, and I don&#039;t know enough about it to apply it to my situation. I am shooting in RGB but most people still say to use adobe RGB and let PSE manage color. RIght now something is askew because all my prints are blue.

This is maddening when you don&#039;t know much about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canon support says that the printer is so old that they didn&#8217;t have ICC profiles. You just choose the paper type in the print dialog box. But I have changed so many settings now that I can&#8217;t make heads or tails of anything.  everyone&#8217;s advice is different, and I don&#8217;t know enough about it to apply it to my situation. I am shooting in RGB but most people still say to use adobe RGB and let PSE manage color. RIght now something is askew because all my prints are blue.</p>
<p>This is maddening when you don&#8217;t know much about it.</p>
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		<title>By: albert</title>
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		<dc:creator>albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peaches
I do not know the i9100, but I suspect the names of the profiles are the same (PR1, SP3, etc) as the profiles relate to the paper used. Providing you installed the printer driver using the CD that came with your printer, these profiles should be on your system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peaches<br />
I do not know the i9100, but I suspect the names of the profiles are the same (PR1, SP3, etc) as the profiles relate to the paper used. Providing you installed the printer driver using the CD that came with your printer, these profiles should be on your system.</p>
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		<title>By: peaches</title>
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		<dc:creator>peaches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is helpful. I&#039;ve struggled for ages trying to find out how to match my Mac, Nikon D80, and Canon i9100.  But what printer profile do I pick for the i9100?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is helpful. I&#8217;ve struggled for ages trying to find out how to match my Mac, Nikon D80, and Canon i9100.  But what printer profile do I pick for the i9100?</p>
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		<title>By: albert</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jenny
The Perceptual rendering intent aims to preserve the visual relationship between colors so it&#039;s perceived as natural to the human eye, even though the colors themselves may change. It is therefore a good choice for photographic reproductions.

The Relative and Absolute Colorimetric intents will shift colors by comparing whites between the source color space and the destination color space. Any out-of-gamut colors are shifted to the closest reproducible color. This all may lead to a print that does not quite look right. 

The Saturation intent is better suited to graphics and illustrations as tries to create vivid colors. This looks good in charts etc, but the process happens at the expense of the relationships between colors, as you would find in a photo.

So, I hope this is all clear, in summary, WHEN PRINTING PHOTOGRAPHS, the Perceptual intent will produce the most pleasing results as it maps the colors to the printer&#039;s output in such a way the eye finds pleasing. The way the other intents do this mapping may result in odd color shifts and is not recommended for photographs.

Thanks for visiting my site
ALbert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jenny<br />
The Perceptual rendering intent aims to preserve the visual relationship between colors so it&#8217;s perceived as natural to the human eye, even though the colors themselves may change. It is therefore a good choice for photographic reproductions.</p>
<p>The Relative and Absolute Colorimetric intents will shift colors by comparing whites between the source color space and the destination color space. Any out-of-gamut colors are shifted to the closest reproducible color. This all may lead to a print that does not quite look right. </p>
<p>The Saturation intent is better suited to graphics and illustrations as tries to create vivid colors. This looks good in charts etc, but the process happens at the expense of the relationships between colors, as you would find in a photo.</p>
<p>So, I hope this is all clear, in summary, WHEN PRINTING PHOTOGRAPHS, the Perceptual intent will produce the most pleasing results as it maps the colors to the printer&#8217;s output in such a way the eye finds pleasing. The way the other intents do this mapping may result in odd color shifts and is not recommended for photographs.</p>
<p>Thanks for visiting my site<br />
ALbert</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Albert - the first explanation that has been of use! 
One question - why use Intent = Perceptual?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Albert &#8211; the first explanation that has been of use!<br />
One question &#8211; why use Intent = Perceptual?</p>
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